How do young people feel about our name?

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Ray Williamson wrote:I think some of you are confusing "Institute" with "Institution".
The latter being the workhouse or lunatic asylum.

Others will no doubt draw their own conclusions as to whether IAC members should be in either of those institutions!
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Confusion is part of the point. The public will take the wrong impression from a name. As is, within the film biz, lunatic attitude is needed. Our discussions on film projects often branch off into really bazaar angles at times. :D
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To develop my earlier comment, just like BP is universally known by its initials and is best known for selling petrol so the IAC can be referred to as a federation (or organisation) for people and groups who make non-commercial films. I think the intials "IAC" have a nice feel to them and we don't need to worry what those initials actually mean. Can anyone remember what ESSO actually stands for? OK I know they are a big multi national company and we aren't, but surely the principle is the same.
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Very true Brian. The real issue is the image given by the IAC to it's prospective new members. It has a bit of a dusty image but using the initials without stating their meaning can give a good start just like BFI, that's the British Film Institute. I think we need to shake the bones a bit though, the website is nice for us older members but needs a considerable blast of youth input. A suggested option would be to partner with the likes of bebo, youtube and myspace where one can find most film activity online. Hows about having an advert just for IAC on youtube and a bebo group as well where youtube videos can be added.
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The trouble with that would be that we can't use most music, and the IAC wouldn't want any illegal promotion happening (even if it's only a possibility that it's illegal), as there's no agreement wth the MCPS

I emailed the following to the MCPS on the 7th Dec (online dept) "Hello

I have a Amateur Cinematographer's Recording Licence issued by you - number 6122 - issued 30/09/2007

May I put any of my movies that may contain extracts of music I own, on youtube or myspace?

If not, am I able to buy a licence that allows this?

regards Bill Ellwood
"

I'm still awaiting a reply...
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I can live with 'IAC' 'standing for' Film and Video Institute', though the connection of the letters with the wording is strange, but when a person becomes a Fellow of the IAC, why then is he/she known as an FACI (rather than an FIAC)? Is the IAC in the same buildng as the DNA? (National Association of Dyslexics). ? :lol:
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When IAC established its fellowship FIAC was "taken".

It stands for Foundries Industry Advisory Committee.
or oddly
Fellow of the Institute of Company Accountants

So FACI was free and this, I guess, stands for Fellow of the Amateur Cinematographers Institutute.

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Billy you are indeed correct. I too spoke to MCPS on the subject by B.A.G's (Alexander Graham-Bell) invention, the telephone and they did confirm that the license does not cover any internet usage of soundtracks recorded under the licenses we have. This is why our films only go online as silent pictures. The only exceptions have been where we have created the full audio tracks ouselves or where we have direct contact with the musicians who are clear as to our uses of their works.
Regardless of our copyright coverage it is not beyond any of use to create video material for the IAC on youtube or the like. There are more than just movie makers involved in movies, there's musicians too, let's use the artists available to us.
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Thinking about something else entirely, I suddenly wondered if we should call ourselves no- or low-budget film makers rather than amateurs, non-commercial and so on? It is a simple, descriptive term which does not imply anything about the quality of our work.

In some parts of the world the term "no/low budget" includes movies which make a profit. So the term is not identical to "non-commercial". Is that a worry?

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Almost anything that gets rid of "amateur" will be an improvement. It really is a stumbling block to any wider recognition in the new world of film making. The alternative is to just accept that there is a community of older people who make films for their own pleasure, like to win prizes for mediocre efforts and wish to keep the young vandals from the door.

The IAC needs to examine its objectives and decide who it is working for, is it for the wider world of non-commercial film makers or for the generally aging club community?

What is happening with the membership of the IAC, is it increasing or in decline? All the evidence points to the decline of the traditional clubs, yes there are a few exceptions, but they are in the minority.

It really is time to carefully examine the future of n-c film making and its organisation. What do we, the writers on this forum want from the IAC?

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I have to agree, the word, "amateur" is never correctly interpreted because it is most often used in derisery terms that infer a person or work to be less competant. "Professional" is equally used without full understanding of it's meaning. Amateur film makers are also tarred with the porn brush, the mere mention of being an amateur film maker has people teatering with giggles and you can see it coming, "You make porn!?"
Whatever level we are producing at, it remains that we are all film producers, directors or screenwriters, whatever, just that being at the low/no budget end we don't get the recognition of being serious industry people.
We all know we are very serious industry people, if we weren't we would have thrown our cameras in the bin years ago instead of striving ever onwards in pursuit of a completed project.
The amateur/low/no budget producer fulfils an important role within the industry in a number of valuable ways. We make films mainstream won't do, we document more of everyday life than the major players and we also provide the opportunity for the less confident to have a stab at acting for the screen and often where it wouldn't otherwise exist. I'm all for ditching amateur an opting for part-time movie director & screenwriter. :D
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Are you really laying the 'problems of membership' on the name? A rose by any other and all that...

Surely it is the activities that attract attention, not the name - and remember, as stated earlier in this thread, the word 'amateur' doesn't appear - its " IAC - The Film and Video Institute ". I could understand better if Amateur were part of the name. It isn't though, is it?

Perhaps its the letters 'IAC' that should be changed - FVI or something? Perhaps a word like 'Federation should replace 'Institute' if people really feel a bit edgy over its comparison with 'institution'? Personally, I don't think it would make a blind bit of difference to the membership rate.

(Institute and Institution are indeed confused in many people's minds. Doesn't seem to worry all the professional institutes around though)

It's the way the clubs promote themselves and hold their meetings that will attract people (The club I belong to seems to be gaining new members by the week... and the meetings are always very well attended. Why? Because they're part of an interesting, packed program. I don't think the name comes into it - except to highlight the nature of the activities. New members join for what the club does - and more importantly how it does it, not what it calls itself.

Lets not make the name a scapegoat for a failure to attract younger/new members.

I see a very broad spectrum of film makers here (in the IAC) - from people who simply want to make better holiday movies, to the unmistakable talents of those whose work would not be out of place on the large cinema screen or on television.

I like and enjoy the diversity. Lets not restrict or focus the membership on any particular group/age/type of film-maker. And lets not blame the lack of new blood of whatever age simply on the name. Think promotion, more interesting meetings. If you have the right product and promote it properly they'll beat a path to your door.

Whatever the 'product' is called.

Mensa is (virtually) a meaningless name for the society of high IQ people. It is not an acronym for anything. If anything, it means 'Table' (Latin). How relevant is that? But their membership is healthy, growing and covers all ages. Because they have a diversity of interests that attarcts a wide variety of people.

So - forget the name. Concentrate on what we do and how we promote what we do.

As ever, all this is in my humble opinion of course.
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Post by ned c »

First, Film Thurso must inhabit a very different world than me, having been an n-c film maker for over 40 years and a professional for much of that time I have never been asked if I make porn. Obviously they have different priorities North of the Border.

No, the problems of the amateur film making world are not just due to the name but the entire image that comes with "amateur movie makers". Here is what I would do if I were on the IAC Council (there is absolutely no danger of this as I live in the USA).

1. Rebrand the organisation with a new name, logo, letterhead and a clear statement of objectives. How about the "Federation of Non-Commercial Film Makers? Say it like it is.

2. Rename the competition, the British International Film Festival - let the rules define what types of films may be entered ie non-commercial films, see the AMPS rules for a suggestion. Then promote the festival across the film making world. I can all ready hear the screams of pain as the "new wave" take all the prizes. But this new young blood is what you want isn't it?

3. Cut back the magazine to a newsletter distributed by e-mail or hard copy for extra cost. Divert the funds saved in to the Festival awards.

4. Create a student section of the Festival with its own judging panel and worthwhile awards.

5. Set up a distribution system for n-c film makers DVDs available to members.

6. Britain is a small island so the annual Festival can be made in to a major attraction, it does pretty well now imagine what it would be like with a membership of 10,000!

But be very careful what you wish for, this is not the cosy world of amateur film making that is, like many things British, a nostalgic connection with an imagined past.

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I had better nip in quickly in case anyone does not realise that though Ned now lives in the USA he is British. He lived and worked here most of his life. He is not some foreigner speaking about something he does not understand!

It is true that if you search with Google for "amateur film" you will eventually get a lot of porn websites. I rather suspect that if you search for "concrete blocks" you may find a porn site eventually! But this afternoon I found around 90 entries before "amateur film" gave me a porn link.

But I know where CforT is coming from. A few years ago there was a strong connection in many people's minds between "amateur film" and porn ...

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Dave I hope you have cleared out your browser history :oops:
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