IAC DISCUSSION FORUMS

I see the IAC have put up the entry fees for the competition again - this
time a massive 16%! They must think we are made of money, £18 seems to me
to be rather excessive, other competitions dont charge nearly as much. I
know who I will be supporting in future. Am I alone in this?

I think we need to see the costs of running the competition in order to make
a useful comment. Earlier I suggested that entries only be returned if requested
and a separate charge be made for return. Many people are retired on fixed
incomes and students have little or no money so these entry fees quickly
add up particularly if there is more than one film to enter.

Ned C

"JO'B" <forums@theiac.org.uk> wrote:

I see the IAC have put up the entry fees for the competition again - this
time a massive 16%! They must think we are made of money, £18 seems to
me
to be rather excessive, other competitions dont charge nearly as much. I
know who I will be supporting in future. Am I alone in this?

"JO'B" <forums@theiac.org.uk> wrote:

I see the IAC have put up the entry fees for the competition again - this
time a massive 16%! They must think we are made of money, £18 seems to
me
to be rather excessive, other competitions dont charge nearly as much.

It IS a big charge, but £18 is only if you are not an IAC member and the
entry is more than 30 minutes long. Otherwise it starts at £14 for your first
entry. (A 30 minute film = 47p a minute.)It drops to £12 for each subsequent
entry. Still high but not so outrageous. Don't forget that under-25s pay
£10 and under 18s pay £7.

The Cotswold charges amateurs £9.50 if you want your entry returned in UK
and it must be less than 16 minutes long. (a 16 minute movie = 59p a minute.)
If you enter in their open class to get a film of up to 22 minutes accepted
it costs £13.50 if you want your entry returned in UK.

The Guernsey Lily charged £10 plus return postage last year for movies up
to 30 minutes long. (a 30 minute movie = 35p a minute.)

If you are a UK amateur, an IAC member and enter a film of a typical 11 minutes
length (which you want to have sent back) in each of the three international
competitions it costs you:
IAC - £14.00
Cotswold - £ 9.50
Guernsey Lily - £10.50

Dave




>I know who I will be supporting in future. Am I alone in this?

"Dave Watterson" <david.filmsocs@virgin.net> wrote:

If you are a UK amateur, an IAC member and enter a film of a typical 11
minutes
length (which you want to have sent back) in each of the three international
competitions it costs you:
IAC - £14.00
Cotswold - £ 9.50
Guernsey Lily - £10.50

Doesn't that just make the point JO'B made? BIAFF is bl**dy expensive!

It costs to make a video. Add up tape, fares, expenses and you are looking
at a fair bit of dosh. Not to mention the cost of the kit. If you make more
than one vido a year and want to put them in to BIAFF ...

How expensive can it be to run a comp? Do you need to bring people from all
over and put them up in a hotel to judge it?

IAC is making a fuss about its 75th year - offering cheap hire deals from
the video library. Pity it did not take the same apporach to BIAFF.

KV

PS Someone told me the region that hosts BIAFF makes a mint from the festival.
If so, why are we paying so much to enter it?

At AMPS we are very conscious of the costs of entry to Festivals. We believe
that members should get special terms and the AMPS members entry fee is GBP5
for the first entry and GBP3 for additional entries, non members are GBP8
and GBP4. Annual membership is GBP10 which also provides six copies of the
Newsletter. One of the questions relating to any festival is what do I get
in return? The BIAFF are exemplary in the quality and depth of their judges
comments in my experience. At AMPS we have used this as our reference standard.
In some cases Festtivals offer cash or product awards. Our expenses are mainly
postage and any small surplus goes into the general fund, no-one is paid
or receives expenses.

Ned C



"KV" <kv@forums.iac> wrote:

"Dave Watterson" <david.filmsocs@virgin.net> wrote:

If you are a UK amateur, an IAC member and enter a film of a typical 11
minutes
length (which you want to have sent back) in each of the three international
competitions it costs you:
IAC - £14.00
Cotswold - £ 9.50
Guernsey Lily - £10.50

Doesn't that just make the point JO'B made? BIAFF is bl**dy expensive!

It costs to make a video. Add up tape, fares, expenses and you are looking
at a fair bit of dosh. Not to mention the cost of the kit. If you make
more
than one vido a year and want to put them in to BIAFF ...

How expensive can it be to run a comp? Do you need to bring people from
all
over and put them up in a hotel to judge it?

IAC is making a fuss about its 75th year - offering cheap hire deals from
the video library. Pity it did not take the same apporach to BIAFF.

KV

PS Someone told me the region that hosts BIAFF makes a mint from the festival.
If so, why are we paying so much to enter it?

"Dave Watterson" <david.filmsocs@virgin.net> wrote:

"JO'B" <forums@theiac.org.uk> wrote:
I see the IAC have put up the entry fees for the competition again - this
time a massive 16%! They must think we are made of money, £18 seems to
me
to be rather excessive, other competitions dont charge nearly as much.

It IS a big charge, but £18 is only if you are not an IAC member and the
entry is more than 30 minutes long. Otherwise it starts at £14 for your
first
entry. (A 30 minute film = 47p a minute.)It drops to £12 for each subsequent
entry. Still high but not so outrageous. Don't forget that under-25s pay
£10 and under 18s pay £7.

The Cotswold charges amateurs £9.50 if you want your entry returned in UK
and it must be less than 16 minutes long. (a 16 minute movie = 59p a minute.)
If you enter in their open class to get a film of up to 22 minutes accepted
it costs £13.50 if you want your entry returned in UK.

The Guernsey Lily charged £10 plus return postage last year for movies up
to 30 minutes long. (a 30 minute movie = 35p a minute.)

If you are a UK amateur, an IAC member and enter a film of a typical 11
minutes
length (which you want to have sent back) in each of the three international
competitions it costs you:
IAC - £14.00
Cotswold - £ 9.50
Guernsey Lily - £10.50

Dave




I know who I will be supporting in future. Am I alone in this?

JOB`s and KV`s comments re high IAC copmpetition prices are correct. Dave

Wattersons attempt at breaking the costs down re running time per minute
is missing the point. I entered the 2006 BIAFF show with one entry and overall
it cost me nearly £60 (sixty pounds)for the privilege. Why?
I`ll break it down for you.

An important consideration for amateur film-makers is the copyright issue,
so in order to do things right one needs to cover oneself legally. As far
as I know the IAC is the only place in the country where you can get the
necessary licences (three of them all told). For arguments sake all three
cost about £9.00. The only snag is that if you are not a member of the IAC
you can`t get all three, only one - the MCPS one -

So if you want all three you have to join up, so to that £9.00 you can now
add at least £36.00 for IAC membership for a year (the benefits of which
are very negligible anyway), add to that the entry cost of the film come
showtime, which in my case ran to over 30 mins so that meant another £14.00!
So there is the best part of £60.00 gone straight off the bat, and I did`nt
even go to the BIAFF 2006 show. If I did the cost would have been higher,
what with travelling expenses and so forth. (I believe the IAC also wanted
£11.00 per person to gain admission for the gala show)

Sixty pounds. Now that was a lot of money just to enter one show, especially
to someone who is unemployed like myself.

And now I learn the prices have gone up again for 2007!

Ace

"Ace" <forums@theiac.org.uk> wrote:

I entered the 2006 BIAFF show with one entry and overall
it cost me nearly £60 (sixty pounds)for the privilege.

I still think the competition fee is to high but it isnt fair to add the
cost of copywrite licences as you need those for any competition or public
show. (I think maybe you should have them technically even if no one else
ever sees your video.)

I know someone who had a vido shown at BIAFF last year and I think she got
a free ticket.

I'm with you on the entry fee, Ace. That is too high.

KV

"KV" <KV@forums.iac> wrote:

"Ace" <forums@theiac.org.uk> wrote:
I entered the 2006 BIAFF show with one entry and overall
it cost me nearly £60 (sixty pounds)for the privilege.

I still think the competition fee is to high but it isnt fair to add the
cost of copywrite licences as you need those for any competition or public
show. (I think maybe you should have them technically even if no one else
ever sees your video.)

I know someone who had a vido shown at BIAFF last year and I think she got
a free ticket.

I'm with you on the entry fee, Ace. That is too high.

KV

"KV" <KV@forums.iac> wrote:

I still think the competition fee is to high but it isnt fair to add the

cost of copywrite licences as you need those for any competition or public
show. (I think maybe you should have them technically even if no one else
ever sees your video.)

It was because the BIAFF show was the first show I entered last year that
I mentioned the cost of licences into the overall equation. Obviously any
subsequent shows after that and we`re only talking about the entry fees themselves.
Yes, you do need those licences for any competition or public show, but to
have to join the IAC in order to get them is questionable,(and even warrant
its own thread on this forum). Whichever way you look at it - its still a
lot of money.

Ace