There aren't many young filmmakers joining IAC and/or clubs. One opinion is
that they are "just different" and it's hard for clubs to mix with them.
Perhaps when they "get older" they will come along.
No. The reality is that membership is shrinking anyway. So we also don't
have enough people over 40 to join. Where are these filmmakeres? I wonder
if this is because video is a simpler and cheaper technology than cine, so
nowaways people don't really need a "traditional" club to help them.
Imagine - if you have lived in a cave for 20 years and now just come out
from the cave and think: ha, I want to make a film. What help would you want
to get from IAC?
shrinking membership
-
Ned C
Re: shrinking membership
Interesting topic, surprising silence from this group
"Atta Chui" <forums@theiac.org.uk> wrote:
difficult to master, the camera original was cut so editing decisions were
life or death, and synch sound and sound mixes were so difficult that creativity
was inhibited. However, a whole "techy" world grew up and attracted techicians
who mastered the technology but not many of them were creative as well. There
were a few outstanding exceptions but they were exceptions. The technology
is now reasonably easy to master so the weight of the activity has moved
to creativity and not many creatives join video clubs. Why? Because creatives
want to use video as a tool, not an end in itself, to tell stories, question
society and even make productions that many video club members would find
objectionable.
and found them helpful and enjoyable but reading the training column now
suggests that they are also in decline. When I first started in the mid 60s
the Wansfell courses were open to anyone not just IAC or club members so
perhaps a more open approach may help. So, where are the IAC and the clubs
headed? To oblivion I suspect.
Ned C
.
"Atta Chui" <forums@theiac.org.uk> wrote:
This is part of the problem. In the days of 8 mm film the technology wasThere aren't many young filmmakers joining IAC and/or clubs. One opinion
is
that they are "just different" and it's hard for clubs to mix with them.
Perhaps when they "get older" they will come along.
No. The reality is that membership is shrinking anyway. So we also don't
have enough people over 40 to join. Where are these filmmakeres? I wonder
if this is because video is a simpler and cheaper technology than cine,
so
nowaways people don't really need a "traditional" club to help them.
difficult to master, the camera original was cut so editing decisions were
life or death, and synch sound and sound mixes were so difficult that creativity
was inhibited. However, a whole "techy" world grew up and attracted techicians
who mastered the technology but not many of them were creative as well. There
were a few outstanding exceptions but they were exceptions. The technology
is now reasonably easy to master so the weight of the activity has moved
to creativity and not many creatives join video clubs. Why? Because creatives
want to use video as a tool, not an end in itself, to tell stories, question
society and even make productions that many video club members would find
objectionable.
The training courses are good value, I attended two on NLE in recent yearsImagine - if you have lived in a cave for 20 years and now just come out
from the cave and think: ha, I want to make a film. What help would you
want
to get from IAC?
and found them helpful and enjoyable but reading the training column now
suggests that they are also in decline. When I first started in the mid 60s
the Wansfell courses were open to anyone not just IAC or club members so
perhaps a more open approach may help. So, where are the IAC and the clubs
headed? To oblivion I suspect.
Ned C
.
-
Cinema For Thurso Group
Re: shrinking membership
I wouldn't say there are less film makers out there but there are certainly
less people looking for help because today we are more educated in the uses
of technology. Unfortunately many young people are not educated in the social
graces but that's side-tracking a little.
There are plenty of young people using super 8mm, it's a growing market
even though Kodak tend to neglect the golden child that is Kodachrome 40.
They are very good at shooting their own feet on that matter, luckily they
only use cameras. Look here at www.8mm.filmshooting.com
The internet also plays a part in the demise of the club, why go to a club
full of oldies when you can find out from the web. The web can provide a
mass of information on any subject but in time the youngsters will learn
that it can't pass on those little tricks that experience has taught the
older film-maker. We all have those little things that we do to push the
limits of our favourite format.
Many young folk who start out on video quite often move to film later to
master their work as you see by some of the submissions on filmshooting.
Loadsa people talking about trying out super 8 for the first time or a new
or different stock they haven't yet used. Don't worry folks, the 8mm people
are alive and well and a new generation is up and running.
less people looking for help because today we are more educated in the uses
of technology. Unfortunately many young people are not educated in the social
graces but that's side-tracking a little.
There are plenty of young people using super 8mm, it's a growing market
even though Kodak tend to neglect the golden child that is Kodachrome 40.
They are very good at shooting their own feet on that matter, luckily they
only use cameras. Look here at www.8mm.filmshooting.com
The internet also plays a part in the demise of the club, why go to a club
full of oldies when you can find out from the web. The web can provide a
mass of information on any subject but in time the youngsters will learn
that it can't pass on those little tricks that experience has taught the
older film-maker. We all have those little things that we do to push the
limits of our favourite format.
Many young folk who start out on video quite often move to film later to
master their work as you see by some of the submissions on filmshooting.
Loadsa people talking about trying out super 8 for the first time or a new
or different stock they haven't yet used. Don't worry folks, the 8mm people
are alive and well and a new generation is up and running.
-
Ned C
Re: shrinking membership
"Cinema For Thurso Group" <canuimagine@btopenworld.com> wrote:
use it and the negative stocks are telecined to tape for editing at mind
numbing prices. I believe that 9.5 is still around so I am sure S8 will survive
but for a very small minority. If anyone is interested we have 2 Canon 1014
XLS S8 cameras, one unused, available for sale. The last time I asked not
a single reply.
is a specialised area and not really relevant to the survival of the IAC
and the clubs.
Ned C
At the prices for S8 film I am surprised that young people can afford toThere are plenty of young people using super 8mm, it's a growing market
even though Kodak tend to neglect the golden child that is Kodachrome 40.
They are very good at shooting their own feet on that matter, luckily they
only use cameras. Look here at www.8mm.filmshooting.com
use it and the negative stocks are telecined to tape for editing at mind
numbing prices. I believe that 9.5 is still around so I am sure S8 will survive
but for a very small minority. If anyone is interested we have 2 Canon 1014
XLS S8 cameras, one unused, available for sale. The last time I asked not
a single reply.
S8 is around as the Wide Screen Centre and Pro8 in the USA testify but itMany young folk who start out on video quite often move to film later to
master their work as you see by some of the submissions on filmshooting.
Loadsa people talking about trying out super 8 for the first time or a new
or different stock they haven't yet used. Don't worry folks, the 8mm people
are alive and well and a new generation is up and running.
is a specialised area and not really relevant to the survival of the IAC
and the clubs.
Ned C
-
Cinema For Thurso Group
Re: shrinking membership
If anyone is interested we have 2 Canon 1014
super 8 cameras so I would be unsure about buying more at this time as I'm
trying to divert funds back to filming and equipment development but name
your price and I will give it some thought. No Promisses!
as a meeting place for older people in the view of the young. Perhaps the
net is superceeding the intstitute. Shy young beginners might prefer the
anonimity of the net enabling them to ask questions without fear of looking
stupid to anyone that might recognise them (not that we would treat them
that way). If the IAC dissappeared it wouldn't stop people taking up film
or video production. There are more than enough people and places that bring
the young into contact with the hobby and at the very least going to the
cinema compared to viewing a DVD will be a decisive point for a newbie. If
you see a film on the big screen you might be so impressed that film and
cinema becomes your desire whilst others prefer home viewing and so video
would be their choice. Lazyness might also be a factor. As people turn to
video for it's supposed easy workings they might also find it easier on their
time to not join a club and so give more time to their personal movie dream.
For clubs that means they loose prospective members who might bring a new
projection light to the industry. For the newcomers that means they miss
out on the benefits that IAC or club membership. IAC's advice on all matters
film would be very handy to a bigginer (although I never did get a reply
to the only enquirey I ever sent). The copyright licenses are a god-send
in their own and I would certainly miss that if it were to dissappear.
I've just spent a fair amount on eqiping for 16mm whilst buying in moreXLS S8 cameras, one unused, available for sale. The last time I asked not
a single reply.
super 8 cameras so I would be unsure about buying more at this time as I'm
trying to divert funds back to filming and equipment development but name
your price and I will give it some thought. No Promisses!
I guess that's very true and perhaps the rub for IAC in that it only servesS8 is around as the Wide Screen Centre and Pro8 in the USA testify but it
is a specialised area and not really relevant to the survival of the IAC
and the clubs.
as a meeting place for older people in the view of the young. Perhaps the
net is superceeding the intstitute. Shy young beginners might prefer the
anonimity of the net enabling them to ask questions without fear of looking
stupid to anyone that might recognise them (not that we would treat them
that way). If the IAC dissappeared it wouldn't stop people taking up film
or video production. There are more than enough people and places that bring
the young into contact with the hobby and at the very least going to the
cinema compared to viewing a DVD will be a decisive point for a newbie. If
you see a film on the big screen you might be so impressed that film and
cinema becomes your desire whilst others prefer home viewing and so video
would be their choice. Lazyness might also be a factor. As people turn to
video for it's supposed easy workings they might also find it easier on their
time to not join a club and so give more time to their personal movie dream.
For clubs that means they loose prospective members who might bring a new
projection light to the industry. For the newcomers that means they miss
out on the benefits that IAC or club membership. IAC's advice on all matters
film would be very handy to a bigginer (although I never did get a reply
to the only enquirey I ever sent). The copyright licenses are a god-send
in their own and I would certainly miss that if it were to dissappear.
-
Billy Ellwood
Re: shrinking membership
I haven't got numbers on the subject but it's obvious that if our membership
is, on average 60 to 70 years old, then some kind of serious marketing campaign
is urgently needed if our long-term future is to be assured. Marketing negativity
I've seen with my own eyes "Look we've tried that idea to get new members-
it got us nowhere! etc..." We're not go-getters trying to build a new world,
we're tired people having a social night once a week. And as for new fangled
ideas like computer editing with smart effects- 75 year old judges would
really like that! NOT.
If we had a vibrant young set cleaning through the cine era, replacing color
bled, low resolution travel docos full of ancient classical theme audio,
would our members continue to turn up? Seriously I've sat through presentations
of media school student award winning projects, and had them roundly condemned
and written off for both subject matter and overdone computer effects. Could
we live with that most weeks?
Yep, I'm Mr Doom & Gloom! But I've put messages on message boards at work
(in the NHS) offering to help people with video creation, and had some small
response. But I'll keep at it.
Other ideas I've used
1) My paid work I produce(on DVD and VHS a couple of times a year) I enclose
a note (with my email) offering to help people with video production.
2) Tell all I meet about my video club- where appropriate.
3) Speak up for us on forums like these two http://www.avforums.com/ , http://www.dvdoctor.net/cgi-bin/Ultimat ... ookie=true
4) Ask people for more ideas to encourage new members- like you guys reading
this.
Regards
Billy
is, on average 60 to 70 years old, then some kind of serious marketing campaign
is urgently needed if our long-term future is to be assured. Marketing negativity
I've seen with my own eyes "Look we've tried that idea to get new members-
it got us nowhere! etc..." We're not go-getters trying to build a new world,
we're tired people having a social night once a week. And as for new fangled
ideas like computer editing with smart effects- 75 year old judges would
really like that! NOT.
If we had a vibrant young set cleaning through the cine era, replacing color
bled, low resolution travel docos full of ancient classical theme audio,
would our members continue to turn up? Seriously I've sat through presentations
of media school student award winning projects, and had them roundly condemned
and written off for both subject matter and overdone computer effects. Could
we live with that most weeks?
Yep, I'm Mr Doom & Gloom! But I've put messages on message boards at work
(in the NHS) offering to help people with video creation, and had some small
response. But I'll keep at it.
Other ideas I've used
1) My paid work I produce(on DVD and VHS a couple of times a year) I enclose
a note (with my email) offering to help people with video production.
2) Tell all I meet about my video club- where appropriate.
3) Speak up for us on forums like these two http://www.avforums.com/ , http://www.dvdoctor.net/cgi-bin/Ultimat ... ookie=true
4) Ask people for more ideas to encourage new members- like you guys reading
this.
Regards
Billy
-
Cinema For Thurso Group
Re: shrinking membership
ABSOLUTELY WELL DONE BILLY- Exactly what should be going on. There is too
much of a gap between the older members and the young. "Kid's these days"
attittudes are often a problem. Our local amateur dramatics group aside from
being clichish both internally and externally is very much the haven of the
"them and us", young and old devide. Senior members only speak to juniors
to tell them what to do. Juniors learn very quickly not to offer up ideas
as the seniors "know best".
As we all get older it is normal for us to become set in our ways and change
shows up like a threat to the stability of our lives. In my day job my one
of my superiors is younger than me by 12 years and even though I know he
gets it wrong quite often, he's still the boss and knows things that I don't.
In our persuite of film-making we all learn things that others may not have
thought of. Thomas Edison was the inventor of talking pictures back in 1904
but even his genious didn't see fit to ditch the clock-workings of the phonograph
in favour of a direct drive shaft from the hand-cranked projectors of the
day- so simple yet he missed it! The olds have experience and the young have
ideas, put the two together to work as a team and creativity is the result.
It is worth noting that even though things work in theory they don't always
work in practice but things that work in practice don't always add up in
theory. Sound worked in theory for Edison but in practice he missed a detail
so the credit eventually went to Warner/Vitaphone for "The Jazz Singer" in
1927.
The amateur field is dominated by older members making documentaries which
have a value as an important record of our times but youths are interested
in movies because they saw something on film or video they found exciting
and wanted to do. How many youngsters do you know that actively persue and
interest in watching documentaries. I love them but I don't often watch them.
For years I've been telling camera dealers that super 8 is alive and kicking
back big time and yet there are still many out there who simply haven't got
a clue because they don't listen/want to know. I started Cinema For Thurso
as a campaign to bring cinema back to Thurso. Many doom-proclaimers said
it would never happen, video was here to stay and then it was the turn of
satalite TV- cinema was dead. I challenged that belief and made it happen
by attracting a 35mm mobile cinema only 3 years after our old Picture House
closed and an approach in 1992 lead to the construction of a 2 screen cinema
in 1999/2000. If we are to get people into clubs we have to create a good
reason to get them in and apathy (we've tried and failed before) isn't going
to be acceptable.
I'm good at saying "no" when it comes to those who are in it for themselves
but when it is for a group interest I will gladly encourage and "no" is
a word I will kick out the door.
Experience is most definately of value but one person or a group can only
have so much experience which it is sometimes nessecary to challenge. The
convention of what works does not give rise to greater expansion of creativity-
creativity is borne out of challenging convention. The game of Chinese Whispers
is a good demonstration of how ideas develope when passed from one person
to another.
It has often been asked, how do we amateurs get our films shown to which
I ask why do we stop at only making the film and expect others to show our
epic work. Why don't WE show our epic. Plan for production and then plan
for presentation. You the maker are the only person who can bring that work
to the public but the public won't love you if you only make 15 minute documentaries.
I think amateurs individually and as groups should put together PUBLIC shows
to attract new interest and should make films where the people involved DON'T
have to be members of a club. Clubs are too Clubish. Being a club means you
can't get involved unless you join. Allowing people to be involved without
joining may give them the insentive to become a member and even if it doesn't
it still gives them the opportunity to have a go at films and the club benefits
because it can still make it projects because people are available. Perhaps
the key to club futures lies in having a constitution set-up for working
as member/non-member organizations. That would be like running a film company
where the club exists soley as a management structure taking on extra help
as and when required and desolving it when the project has been completed.
much of a gap between the older members and the young. "Kid's these days"
attittudes are often a problem. Our local amateur dramatics group aside from
being clichish both internally and externally is very much the haven of the
"them and us", young and old devide. Senior members only speak to juniors
to tell them what to do. Juniors learn very quickly not to offer up ideas
as the seniors "know best".
As we all get older it is normal for us to become set in our ways and change
shows up like a threat to the stability of our lives. In my day job my one
of my superiors is younger than me by 12 years and even though I know he
gets it wrong quite often, he's still the boss and knows things that I don't.
In our persuite of film-making we all learn things that others may not have
thought of. Thomas Edison was the inventor of talking pictures back in 1904
but even his genious didn't see fit to ditch the clock-workings of the phonograph
in favour of a direct drive shaft from the hand-cranked projectors of the
day- so simple yet he missed it! The olds have experience and the young have
ideas, put the two together to work as a team and creativity is the result.
It is worth noting that even though things work in theory they don't always
work in practice but things that work in practice don't always add up in
theory. Sound worked in theory for Edison but in practice he missed a detail
so the credit eventually went to Warner/Vitaphone for "The Jazz Singer" in
1927.
The amateur field is dominated by older members making documentaries which
have a value as an important record of our times but youths are interested
in movies because they saw something on film or video they found exciting
and wanted to do. How many youngsters do you know that actively persue and
interest in watching documentaries. I love them but I don't often watch them.
For years I've been telling camera dealers that super 8 is alive and kicking
back big time and yet there are still many out there who simply haven't got
a clue because they don't listen/want to know. I started Cinema For Thurso
as a campaign to bring cinema back to Thurso. Many doom-proclaimers said
it would never happen, video was here to stay and then it was the turn of
satalite TV- cinema was dead. I challenged that belief and made it happen
by attracting a 35mm mobile cinema only 3 years after our old Picture House
closed and an approach in 1992 lead to the construction of a 2 screen cinema
in 1999/2000. If we are to get people into clubs we have to create a good
reason to get them in and apathy (we've tried and failed before) isn't going
to be acceptable.
I'm good at saying "no" when it comes to those who are in it for themselves
but when it is for a group interest I will gladly encourage and "no" is
a word I will kick out the door.
Experience is most definately of value but one person or a group can only
have so much experience which it is sometimes nessecary to challenge. The
convention of what works does not give rise to greater expansion of creativity-
creativity is borne out of challenging convention. The game of Chinese Whispers
is a good demonstration of how ideas develope when passed from one person
to another.
It has often been asked, how do we amateurs get our films shown to which
I ask why do we stop at only making the film and expect others to show our
epic work. Why don't WE show our epic. Plan for production and then plan
for presentation. You the maker are the only person who can bring that work
to the public but the public won't love you if you only make 15 minute documentaries.
I think amateurs individually and as groups should put together PUBLIC shows
to attract new interest and should make films where the people involved DON'T
have to be members of a club. Clubs are too Clubish. Being a club means you
can't get involved unless you join. Allowing people to be involved without
joining may give them the insentive to become a member and even if it doesn't
it still gives them the opportunity to have a go at films and the club benefits
because it can still make it projects because people are available. Perhaps
the key to club futures lies in having a constitution set-up for working
as member/non-member organizations. That would be like running a film company
where the club exists soley as a management structure taking on extra help
as and when required and desolving it when the project has been completed.
-
Dave Watterson
Re: shrinking membership
What a fascinating thread this is.
On recruitment: it seems to me that a potentially useful
target group is 30 - 50 year-olds. They usually have a bit
more disposable income, are usually more settled in an area
and often have a camcorder in the cupboard (bought to record
their kids and now abandoned.)
Reaching that group is not easy. They tend to read upmarket
magazines and newspapers which charge upmarket advertising
rates. We can try placing articles in magazines but that
needs someone who can write good journalese and some real
stories. "Club makes doco on allotments" is hardly the stuff
an editor wants to buy.
Any ideas?
Dave (McKnackered-after-writing-crits) McWatterson
On recruitment: it seems to me that a potentially useful
target group is 30 - 50 year-olds. They usually have a bit
more disposable income, are usually more settled in an area
and often have a camcorder in the cupboard (bought to record
their kids and now abandoned.)
Reaching that group is not easy. They tend to read upmarket
magazines and newspapers which charge upmarket advertising
rates. We can try placing articles in magazines but that
needs someone who can write good journalese and some real
stories. "Club makes doco on allotments" is hardly the stuff
an editor wants to buy.
Any ideas?
Dave (McKnackered-after-writing-crits) McWatterson
-
Billy Ellwood
Re: shrinking membership
One thing we did do from last year was to get a few tied-on bib-thingies that
we wear, that have "Newcastle ACA Film Crew" on them, whilst we're out filming
at public events. And hopefully people will come over for a chat. It's had
a small positive effect on membership.
Another thing was to look at Newcastles around the world, and we contacted
Newcastle Movie Makers, Australia, and swapped an hour's stuff. Then we could
have an article in our local press about a liason from around the world.
The result was that we did indeed swap a tape- and there's was great Aussie
film-making. I don't know what happened about us informing the press though...
we wear, that have "Newcastle ACA Film Crew" on them, whilst we're out filming
at public events. And hopefully people will come over for a chat. It's had
a small positive effect on membership.
Another thing was to look at Newcastles around the world, and we contacted
Newcastle Movie Makers, Australia, and swapped an hour's stuff. Then we could
have an article in our local press about a liason from around the world.
The result was that we did indeed swap a tape- and there's was great Aussie
film-making. I don't know what happened about us informing the press though...
-
Dave Watterson
Re: shrinking membership
I love the idea of wearing bib-things ... I imagine sort of vests
like motorway maintenance people and police sometimes wear with
clear identification titles on them. This would alert the public
to shooting - and perhaps encourage them to make allowances for
any inconvenience the process caused them.
Their advertising potential is - as Billy suggests - excellent.
There are times when we all want or need to be anonymous, but
others when it helps to have some form of identifying uniform.
Dave (delighted) McWatterson
PS Billy - were you one of the excellent support team during
IAC judging at Scarborough recently?
like motorway maintenance people and police sometimes wear with
clear identification titles on them. This would alert the public
to shooting - and perhaps encourage them to make allowances for
any inconvenience the process caused them.
Their advertising potential is - as Billy suggests - excellent.
There are times when we all want or need to be anonymous, but
others when it helps to have some form of identifying uniform.
Dave (delighted) McWatterson
PS Billy - were you one of the excellent support team during
IAC judging at Scarborough recently?
-
Cinema For Thurso Group
Re: shrinking membership
Oh yes, great idea. I have been trying to convince some members of Caithness
Arts that we aught to have ID cards or badges for wearing in atendance at
arts events where-ever they happen and not soley our own shows. I think we
should be wearing these things at any event and I certainly make a habit
of wearing my Cinema For Thurso sweatshirt in cinemas and will be getting
more made.
Vests and badges certainly help to create interest from the public and why
not baseball caps too? These are standard marketing ploys in the movie business
so why don't the amateurs use them too.
A lot of clubs try to raise awareness locally through their area press but
if you want younger members the local rag (which it often is) won't reach
that group. I used to produce daybills for a mobile cinema and it had become
important to do as they press add wasn't hitting the audience age-group.
It tends to be persons of 24+ that read newspapers whilst bulk interest in
films is below that.
There is also a need to blow the cobwebs off the image of amateur movie-making
although I'm sure they've become established for good reason, stagnation
I think is the word I'm looking for here.
Club movies have become a haven for documentary work. I've noted it's importance
in the past but it's not going to draw in a new and truely younger generation
of film makers to the clubs.
Our local camera club only does the usual portraity, still-life, scenery
photography. All hardly exciting to a younger girl or boy who's just seen
Matrix 3 or Pirates Of The Carribian. What's your club doing this season?
Oh we're making a sequel to "Jam Making In The Cotswolds", it's called "Potted
After-Life"!
Perhaps we will see some kind of transition as old clubs dissappear new
groups (not clubs) will appear and take amateur film-making into the future.
Arts that we aught to have ID cards or badges for wearing in atendance at
arts events where-ever they happen and not soley our own shows. I think we
should be wearing these things at any event and I certainly make a habit
of wearing my Cinema For Thurso sweatshirt in cinemas and will be getting
more made.
Vests and badges certainly help to create interest from the public and why
not baseball caps too? These are standard marketing ploys in the movie business
so why don't the amateurs use them too.
A lot of clubs try to raise awareness locally through their area press but
if you want younger members the local rag (which it often is) won't reach
that group. I used to produce daybills for a mobile cinema and it had become
important to do as they press add wasn't hitting the audience age-group.
It tends to be persons of 24+ that read newspapers whilst bulk interest in
films is below that.
There is also a need to blow the cobwebs off the image of amateur movie-making
although I'm sure they've become established for good reason, stagnation
I think is the word I'm looking for here.
Club movies have become a haven for documentary work. I've noted it's importance
in the past but it's not going to draw in a new and truely younger generation
of film makers to the clubs.
Our local camera club only does the usual portraity, still-life, scenery
photography. All hardly exciting to a younger girl or boy who's just seen
Matrix 3 or Pirates Of The Carribian. What's your club doing this season?
Oh we're making a sequel to "Jam Making In The Cotswolds", it's called "Potted
After-Life"!
Perhaps we will see some kind of transition as old clubs dissappear new
groups (not clubs) will appear and take amateur film-making into the future.
-
Billy Ellwood
Re: shrinking membership
"Dave Watterson" <david.filmsocs@virgin.net> wrote:
It was a pleasure- and gave me plenty of entertainment, and ideas.
Billy
Yes I was man! And it's sure encouraging to get feedback like yours.I love the idea of wearing bib-things ... I imagine sort of vests
like motorway maintenance people and police sometimes wear with
clear identification titles on them. This would alert the public
to shooting - and perhaps encourage them to make allowances for
any inconvenience the process caused them.
Their advertising potential is - as Billy suggests - excellent.
There are times when we all want or need to be anonymous, but
others when it helps to have some form of identifying uniform.
Dave (delighted) McWatterson
PS Billy - were you one of the excellent support team during
IAC judging at Scarborough recently?
It was a pleasure- and gave me plenty of entertainment, and ideas.
Billy