POT HUNTER

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malcolm whiteley

POT HUNTER

Post by malcolm whiteley » Sat Sep 07, 2002 11:12 pm

YES Albert YES. Just seem to be having a good run lol. Mmmmm.
Keswick and Beyond did OK all round. Highly comended at Guernsey,
2nd in the Sennheiser comp. it was the comp run by the microphone guys.
Gold certificate at Cotswolds, you missed that one Dave. Awaiting more results.
What about Ned, he got a bronze.
Bring it on in Ned.
Mal. (blowing own trumpet Dah Dah Dah Da)

AN

Re: POT HUNTER

Post by AN » Sun Sep 08, 2002 8:28 am

"malcolm whiteley" <malcolmwhiteley@hotmail.com> wrote:
YES Albert YES. Just seem to be having a good run lol. Mmmmm.
Keswick and Beyond did OK all round. Highly comended at >Guernsey,
Beat yer! Beat yer! Nah nah na nah nah. So there.
My bat's better that your ball. I don't care if you do
tell yer mum. I'll tell mine, so.

If you make a film about Guernsey, will it be highly commended
at Keswick?
2nd in the Sennheiser comp. it was the comp run by the >microphone guys.
They're very sound!
Gold certificate at Cotswolds, you missed that one Dave.
He's too busy getting ready for Bedford.
Awaiting more results.
What about Ned, he got a bronze.
That's cos he spends too much time sitting in the Utah Sun!
Yes, well done Neddy.
Bring it on in Ned.
Mal. (blowing own trumpet Dah Dah Dah Da)
Man who blow own trumpet can finish flat(!) on face. old chineeeees proverb.

Albert...the provebial 'take away'.

Dave Watterson

Re: POT HUNTER

Post by Dave Watterson » Mon Sep 09, 2002 8:20 pm

I'll congratulate all of you!

I had better explain that for the Cotswold IFV Festival the jury watch the
movies together but have minimum discussion. We all go home and assess them,
write notes and scores etc separately. Only the organiser (Lee Prescott)
knows the totals. He works out who has won what.

When I go to the festival this weekend I'll find out all of the details.
I got to know the principal awards because I was asked to list them on the
Cotswold IFVF web site.

I really do admire people who get movies together and submit them to competitions
- that takes hard work, guts and a certain degree of masochism (!) The standard
this year was very good, so anyone who got a diploma, let alone a mjaor prize,
did well.

Busily writng up the UNICA festival for the web site right now ... get your
piggy-banks ready for next year in Warsaw - cheaper than Luxembourg but just
as much fun.

Cheers

Dave

Ned Cordery

Re: POT HUNTER

Post by Ned Cordery » Sun Sep 15, 2002 9:51 pm

"Dave Watterson" <webmaster@theiac.org.uk> wrote:
I'll congratulate all of you!

I had better explain that for the Cotswold IFV Festival the jury watch the
movies together but have minimum discussion. We all go home and assess
them,
write notes and scores etc separately.

Cheers

Dave
Thanks Dave. Congrats to Mal (the GOLDEN Boy) and to AN (he of the SILVER
heir) I found the judges comments accurate (I have taken 6 minutes out after
a friendly disagreement with Alberto about the loss of his favorite shot).
The cave lighting was all natural! After several days shooting this past
week I am forced to the conclusion I am getting too old for this nonsense
and editing is much more appealing. We are now infected with the pot hunting
virus and the next production is under consideration. From sunny southern
Utah,

Ned Cordery

Dave Watterson

POT HUNTER - the plot thickens

Post by Dave Watterson » Sun Sep 15, 2002 10:40 pm

More explanation necessary ...

As in many competitions the final jury only sees a selection of the entries
in the Cotswold Festival. Pre-selection is done by teams from the organising
club. So those of us on the final jury did not see everything. If you got
typed comments they probably came from me ... otherwise your comments were
from someone on the pre-selection panels.

The public screenings took place over the weekend. The Awards night was
very successful with a really strong show that presented all sorts of movie
styles and subjects to an audience which included folk from film appreciation
groups as well as fellow amateur movie makers.

Now being a nosy parker - and having seen a fair amount of video in the last
few years - I snuck a look at the list of movies which did not reach the
final panel and I'd disagree with some of the decisions. But that's film
judging for you - there's no way to be absolutely objective. I know that
some movies on the lower slopes of the Cotswold diplomas have won major prizes
elesewhere and some that did well in Stroud were not so highly appreciated
in other places.

Does anyone really worry ... or is it enough to get a reaction to your work
from folk who don't know you, so have no need to be specially kind or considerate?

Dave

AN

Re: POT HUNTER - the plot thickens

Post by AN » Mon Sep 16, 2002 8:22 am

"Dave Watterson" <webmaster@theiac.org.uk> wrote:
As in many competitions the final jury only sees a selection of the entries
in the Cotswold Festival. Pre-selection is done by teams from the organising
club. So those of us on the final jury did not see everything.
Life is full of irony....You may all recall some time ago,
Mal said he was a pot hunter whilst I said I'd rather have an audience instead
of pots.....so guess what?
In the Cotswold FF altho Mal had a gold, and I only had a
silver, my film was shown over the weekend to an audience,
whilst Mal's was not.
In fact, even a bronze film or two was shown in preference to golds.
Can anyone explain this?

Albert......cleaning the silver spoon in his mouth. :-)

Ned Cordery

Re: POT HUNTER - the plot thickens

Post by Ned Cordery » Mon Sep 16, 2002 11:14 am

"AN" <AnimatioN@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Life is full of irony....You may all recall some time ago,
Mal said he was a pot hunter whilst I said I'd rather have an audience instead
of pots.....so guess what?
In the Cotswold FF altho Mal had a gold, and I only had a
silver, my film was shown over the weekend to an audience,
whilst Mal's was not.
In fact, even a bronze film or two was shown in preference to golds.
Can anyone explain this?

Albert......cleaning the silver spoon in his mouth. :-)
I agree with Allbert that having an audience and feedback is most important,
what's the point of making a film if noone sees it? The different responses
of the judges suggest that after all film just may be an art since subjective
response is more important than objective measurements. If a judge hates
documentaries then don't expect your doc to be a winner. Regarding the choice
of films for the show I would suspect that length played an part in the decision.

Ned Cordery

Dave Watterson

Re: POT HUNTER - the plot thickens

Post by Dave Watterson » Mon Sep 16, 2002 5:00 pm

OK - the Cotswold Festival screenings ...

Lee is taking a well-earned break from computers, video and all such things
for a week so I cannot check with him ... but ...

When he started the festival I advised him to think carefully about the audience
at the festival screenings. To get a general public the programme has to
be considered as an evening's entertainment. Naturally the main winners
need to be shown, but the audience requirements come first at those screenings.
After all, the moviemakers have had their movies assessed, diplomas and prizes
awarded etc ... so it is the watching public who get first priority now.

The festival is supported in part by the tourist authorities keen to encourage
people to visit the beautiful Cotswold area so the programmes are designed
to attract as many as possible.

That means that if it happens that all the winners are serious Lee needs
to pop in a short comedy from the upper ranks of the others now and then.
If there is a preponderance of documentaries then a little animation or
a little fiction is needed to leaven the lump. And so on.

The best of it is that this also presents the top movies in a better light
by including them in a well-balanced show. That was evident at the Saturday
night show with a wonderful mix of styles, moods and abilities on show.
It was a great evening's entertainment as well as a prize-winners show.

Of course, as Ned shrewdly points out, the "extra" films chosen to balance
things up tend to be short ones, so there's a lesson there!

malcolm whiteley

Re: POT HUNTER - the plot thickens

Post by malcolm whiteley » Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:56 pm

Does anyone really worry ... or is it enough to get a reaction to your work
from folk who don't know you, so have no need to be specially kind or considerate?
WORRY-----have't a care in the world. As for getting a reaction!
yes. I think the way Lee runs this show is top notch, but need the judges
comments. I like to be informed of where I can do better. After reading this
years reports I must say they were spot on. It was very constructive. At
least in the bigger competitions there seems to be a better class of judging,
(does your cap still fit Dave) I find when you get your film judged at your
local video club it's like the blind leading the blind.
I do not even read the reports as they are mostly beyond a joke.
Would realy like to post some of these but you never know who's peeping from
behind the sofa. lol.
Mal. (looking for his white stick)

KEN WILSON

Re: POT HUNTER - the plot thickens

Post by KEN WILSON » Mon Sep 16, 2002 11:03 pm

"Dave Watterson" <webmaster@theiac.org.uk> wrote:
As in many competitions the final jury only sees a selection of the entries
in the Cotswold Festival. Pre-selection is done by teams from the organising
club. So those of us on the final jury did not see everything.

some movies on the lower slopes of the Cotswold diplomas have won major
prizes
elesewhere and some that did well in Stroud were not so highly appreciated
in other places.

Does anyone really worry ... or is it enough to get a reaction to your work
I always appreciate Dave`s comments when he has judged one of PHASE 4s films
(as I have told him in person.)
At the risk of sounding bitter (a big risk) I have generally found that pre-judging
by club members has eliminated films of ours at an early stage. We had a
film entered at Cotswold which had won our regional competition, but was
only given a bronze at Cotswold(!?) On closer inspection of judges marking,
I noticed editing/ sound/ camerawork etc had all respectable marks/ comments.
Where the film fell down, was on entertainment value.
One judge gave us (I think) 26/30 and another 10/30. The third one was I
believe 19/30. So there you have it, it`s down to what the judge likes to
watch. He commented; "It succeeded in what it set out to do, but didn`t entertain
me."
So to conclude, it`s not the loss of a "pot" it`s the loss of a potential
audience. So YES it DOES matter, because the films (which take, as we know,
many, many months to make)is made to be SEEN. I can`t remember which well
known director said that his films are like his children. They are lovingly
created and nurtured before being sent out to make there way in the world.
I`ll have to go now and wipe a tear! KEN WILSON

AN

Re: POT HUNTER - the plot thickens

Post by AN » Tue Sep 17, 2002 11:02 am

"KEN WILSON" <@filmlabnorth.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
So to conclude, it`s not the loss of a "pot" it`s the loss of a >potential
audience. So YES it DOES matter, because the films (which take, as we know,
many, many months to make)is made to be SEEN.
Yes, yes, yes. Unfortunately, in many festivals unless we have won a pot,
there is no audience for our work, so only Auntie Flow sees ones epic. I
reckon we film makers are mugs, not pots! ..... putting in all this work
for small audiences, when the crap on TV is seen by millions. :-(
I`ll have to go now and wipe a tear!
Borrow my hanky, (although it's a trifle wet.)
Albert......blowing his nose.

Brian Hazelden

Re: POT HUNTER - the plot thickens

Post by Brian Hazelden » Tue Sep 17, 2002 9:46 pm

Ken Wilson said :-
At the risk of sounding bitter (a big risk) I have generally >found that
pre-judging by club members has eliminated films of >ours at an early stage.
We had a film entered at Cotswold which >had won our regional competition,
but was only given a bronze >at Cotswold(!?)

You think you're hard done by?

I've just pulled three films from the Kent Film Festival because an IAC Silver
and SERIAC Award winner failed to make it through the preliminary judging.

Now, before you accuse me of sour grapes, or whatever, I've now made three
films which have failed to win a single award at the Kent Film Festival,
yet between them have won :-

1) A Guernsey Lily
2) Best Documentary at Guernsey Lily
3) Third Best Film at Guernsey Lily
4) An IAC Gold
5) An IAC Silver
6) Best Film at SERIAC
7) Second Best Film at SERIAC
8) The Croydon Documentary Cup at SERIAC
9) The Surrey Borders Trophy for Special Merit at SERIAC (twice)
10) The JVC Editing Trophy at SERIAC
11) Shown on Meridian Freescreen (twice)

In fact, none of my films have ever won an award at Kent. Some of my earlier
work, broadcast by Freescreen, was not even good enough to show!

I looked up "paranoid" in the dictionary the other day. All it said was,
"Why do you want to know?" ;-)

Brian Hazelden
(Never again to enter Kent, and probably not long for the IAC)

Dave Watterson

Re: POT HUNTER - the plot thickens

Post by Dave Watterson » Tue Sep 17, 2002 10:19 pm

You think you're hard done by !!!

I've never even had a film accepted by a competition, let alone ended up
on screen at the finals. No judge has ever made a kind comment on my work.

Of course this could be because I haven't got a camcorder and ony make movies
in my head - you think?

Dave

PS As for Louisa - (a) well done for finding us, (b) well done for asking
for a link on the web site - which is coming up and hurrah for a PR person
with some enthusiasm and initiative. I see so many of the other kind at
work.

PPS Brian H - NO. Don't quit the IAC. Even I'm not doing that yet. It's
far from perfect but it is all we've got. It sounds as if something about
your work and Kent does not gel .. a prophet in his own land, perhaps? So
maybe save your entrance fee there in future (David Longley will curse me
for saying that). As well as making the pilgrimage to Galloway next year,
take your lovely wife off to Warsaw for the UNICA festival ... meet lots
of great moviemakers and see lots of great movies.

KEN WILSON

Re: POT HUNTER - the plot thickens

Post by KEN WILSON » Tue Sep 17, 2002 11:03 pm

"Brian Hazelden" <brian_hazelden@lineone.net> wrote:
You think you're hard done by?
No, I didn`t actually Brian; it was just an observation. We have had a good
run for the past few years and I can`t really complain.
Now, before you accuse me of sour grapes, or whatever, I've now made three
films which have failed to win a single award at the Kent Film Festival,
yet between them have won :-

1) A Guernsey Lily
2) Best Documentary at Guernsey Lily
3) Third Best Film at Guernsey Lily
4) An IAC Gold
5) An IAC Silver
6) Best Film at SERIAC
7) Second Best Film at SERIAC
8) The Croydon Documentary Cup at SERIAC
9) The Surrey Borders Trophy for Special Merit at SERIAC (twice)
10) The JVC Editing Trophy at SERIAC
11) Shown on Meridian Freescreen (twice)
I think congratulations are in order and my other comments would be;
AT LAST SOME LIVELY DEBATE on the IAC site!
It`s certainly strange why certain competitions seem to be
jinxed for a group/club/individual.
For the last couple of years of it`s existence, I also ceased to enter a
competition as it didn`t seem worth the entry fees.
This was the Nottingham festival, where after a couple of earlier successes,
we entered many of our best films for them
to be rejected at preliminary stage. Many were award winners
at other competitions.One year, we had two films entered and
they picked the inferior one (as I see it) to be shown.
Competition judges are like crop circles (see "Signs" with Mel Gibson;- O.k.
but not a brilliant film)inexplicable.
I have judged a couple of times though and it` NO EASY TASK so
there`s no point in judge bashing. I just think that club
members are not generally best suited to do it. Your peers and
qualified film-type persons/award winners/ recognised authorities
are best able to dish out the gongs(criticisms!) Ken Wilson

Michael Slowe

Re: POT HUNTER - the plot thickens

Post by Michael Slowe » Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:55 pm

"Brian Hazelden" <brian_hazelden@lineone.net> wrote:
Ken Wilson said :-

At the risk of sounding bitter (a big risk) I have generally >found that
pre-judging by club members has eliminated films of >ours at an early stage.
We had a film entered at Cotswold which >had won our regional competition,
Everyone is taking this competition judging too seriously. I have been entering
films (8mm, 16mm, now video in competitions for 30 years and have got used
to the differences in judging. In winning 6 Ten Bests (National Film Theatre
and all that) I only won 1 IAC International with the same films! Actually
I always thought that the IAC judges were better than the Movie Maker ones.
It was just that the late dear Tony Rose liked my films and wanted them in
his quite commercial shows! So no hard feelings chaps, it's just the way
of the world.
but was only given a bronze >at Cotswold(!?)

You think you're hard done by?

I've just pulled three films from the Kent Film Festival because an IAC
Silver
and SERIAC Award winner failed to make it through the preliminary judging.

Now, before you accuse me of sour grapes, or whatever, I've now made three
films which have failed to win a single award at the Kent Film Festival,
yet between them have won :-

1) A Guernsey Lily
2) Best Documentary at Guernsey Lily
3) Third Best Film at Guernsey Lily
4) An IAC Gold
5) An IAC Silver
6) Best Film at SERIAC
7) Second Best Film at SERIAC
8) The Croydon Documentary Cup at SERIAC
9) The Surrey Borders Trophy for Special Merit at SERIAC (twice)
10) The JVC Editing Trophy at SERIAC
11) Shown on Meridian Freescreen (twice)

In fact, none of my films have ever won an award at Kent. Some of my earlier
work, broadcast by Freescreen, was not even good enough to show!

I looked up "paranoid" in the dictionary the other day. All it said was,
"Why do you want to know?" ;-)

Brian Hazelden
(Never again to enter Kent, and probably not long for the IAC)

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