Marketing of SIV's

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Chris Abram
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Marketing of SIV's

Post by Chris Abram » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:19 pm

I am setting up a website ostensibly to sell my own high quality heritage dvd's. However I was wondering if there are any other members who have heritage dvd's which they would like marketing? I must emphasise that they must be HIGH QUALITY HERITAGE dvd's and I will expect to view them before they are put on the site. I will not charge for including a cover picture and synopsis but we will agree a discount before the dvd is included.
PLEASE NOTE. Think carefully before deciding because if you decide to go ahead you might infringe our archaic IAC competition rules which do not allow programmes to be entered if money is involved!
Contact via chris@eventspecialists.co.uk or telephone 01524 736573
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Re: Marketing of SIV's

Post by Chrisbitz » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:31 pm

I find it interesting that in the process of using the IAC forum to advertise your commercial venture, you still see fit to throw in a dig about their "archaic competition rules"!

Just for the record, I disagree with your claim that they're archaic, and I believe they are correct and proper. But that's been fully discussed on another thread! (which I can't find right now...) :-)
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Re: Marketing of SIV's

Post by Stephen » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:31 pm

:shock:

you would be hard pressed to find another copyright license with anywhere near the terms and conditions our IAC copyright has .....
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Re: Marketing of SIV's

Post by Lee Prescott » Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:11 pm

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Re Chris' and Stephens postings: Note the IAC licences only cover Music - with certain
restrictions, not the 15 bottles of HP sauce on the table or a quick flip through published
Post Cards of places etc. etc! Copyright? The way things are going we'll soon have to
get the permission of the dead to film gravestones!

Mind you re the 15 bottles of HP sauce / Post cards of places and other images....I've
found at times that in writing to the "copyright owners" - apart from outlining ones IAC
membership etc. etc. stating that a vision of their product(s) provides "free advertising" -
(and you can dress that up in any way you like) !!! Co-operation is often OK'd

:mrgreen: Lee.

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Mike Shaw
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Re: Marketing of SIV's

Post by Mike Shaw » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:18 pm

You can go one further - when including product brands in your movie, write to them not asking for permission, but for an advertising fee (or you'll happily use a competitor's brand). It's called product placement - and is becoming big business - in TV plays and the movies. I can remember the first glimmers of product placement many many moons ago - these days, companies pay handsomely to have their products displayed in films and so on as 'part of the set'. Very effective.

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Re: Marketing of SIV's

Post by Arthur Bates » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:19 pm

A good idea Mike but would it affect your IAC copyright licence? Arthur B.

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Re: Marketing of SIV's

Post by Chrisbitz » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:25 pm

Just a minor point of fact.... :-)

The original post was talking about competition rules.... How did this dicussion get onto copyright licenses?

I know the two words both begin with the letter 'C', but aren't we stretching it a bit?
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Re: Marketing of SIV's

Post by Wilmot » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:29 am

Having see work by Mr Abrahms, I recognise the quality of the film making. However going back to the comment at the top about 'archaic' rules, I'd just point out that there are many, many other outlets for films/videos which have been produced with the aim of generating revenue. However, I feel that to ensure amateurs can compete and show on a 'level playing field', the eventual aim of making money with the same video, at its inception, should not be involved.

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Post by ned c » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:57 pm

Making films for money does not necessarily shift them to a higher "playing field" than those made for fun. Just think of all the truly dreadful professional films that have been made. Whilst I agree that films made for fun fall into a different category than films made for money they can achieve the same level of creativity and technical competence in the modern digital world. Rathet the cries of "foul" by amateurs is because they want awards for mediocre films.

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Re: Marketing of SIV's

Post by Wilmot » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:44 pm

I'm with you that trying to make money doesn't always lead to quality film making.

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Re: Marketing of SIV's

Post by Michael Slowe » Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:32 pm

It just so happens that I'm being offered money by a TV station and now a distributer for a particular film. I'm very conscious of the morals concerning 'non commercial' film making and refuse to accept it personally. What I do is to divert it to the IAC. That way the 'movement' in general can benefit and at the same time I can have the satisfaction of a wider audience than I would generally expect from what is, and remains, an amateur (n-c for Ned Cordery!) film. I still insist I'm making films for fun and never compromise on a subject or approach, I do what I want to do.

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Re: Marketing of SIV's

Post by Mike Shaw » Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:50 pm

What happens if you make an 'amateur' movie of an historic subject that people (hundreds, say!)want a copy of - want to buy? A dilema! You cannot make the copies - in cases with inserts etc - for free. You cannot charge because it breaks the amateur rules.

So those who want a copy cannot have one, unless film maker withdraws himself (or that film alone?) from entering it into competitons?

I wonder if its time to address some of the hardfast rules with a little flexibility? Of course, said film would not fall under the aegis of the IAC copyright/royalty agreements - that cannot change without changing the agreement, at a cost. But he definition of an amateur rears its ugly head again.

I suspect the answer is said film simply doesn't fall under the umbrella of 'amateur', and cannot be entered into competitions unless, maybe, a different, perhaps shorter edit is produced.

Oh that I would/could make such a movie!

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Re: Marketing of SIV's

Post by TimStannard » Fri May 27, 2011 10:47 pm

Mike Shaw wrote:What happens if you make an 'amateur' movie of an historic subject that people (hundreds, say!)want a copy of - want to buy? A dilema! You cannot make the copies - in cases with inserts etc - for free. You cannot charge because it breaks the amateur rules.
On the basis that most historical subjects have an organisation attached to them - suppose you gave the organisation a copy of the film and gave them the non-exclusive rights to distribute it as they see fit? The film is generating money for the benefit of the organisation, but you have not and do not have any intention of making any money from it.

Would that serve the purpose of both satisfying the needs of the people wanting copies and the rules of amateur status.

Another question: I made up copies of a DVD of a film we entered into BIAFF this year, together with various makings of and outtakes. The DVDs were distributed among members of the club (most of whom took part in the film). I charged a nominal sum for each copy simply to cover costs. Does that mean our film should be stripped of its three stars?

Of course, in this case, I could argue that I'm chargig for reproducing the "makings of" and "outtakes" and the main feature is free. But sppose they hadn't been added?
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