The plot thickens

[AN]

Further to my letter about an entry of mine in CEMRIAC
festival that was not apparently rewound by me, and so
wasn't shown........

Interesting that I have just been informed that the projectionist rewound
my tape THREE times and still couldn't get
anything, yet as I said, when I got it home it was perfect.
His play back machine was a JVC, whilst I recorded the tape at
home on a Sony Walkman.

This seems to illustrate that miniDV tapes recorded on Sony
Walkmans don't play back on JVC equipment.

Strewth, I hope the JVC machine doesn't go to Norwich next year!!!!!

Albert...playing back in anguish.

[Michael Slowe]

"AN" <Animation@btopenworld.com> wrote:

Further to my letter about an entry of mine in CEMRIAC
festival that was not apparently rewound by me, and so
wasn't shown........

Interesting that I have just been informed that the projectionist rewound
my tape THREE times and still couldn't get
anything, yet as I said, when I got it home it was perfect.
His play back machine was a JVC, whilst I recorded the tape at
home on a Sony Walkman.

This seems to illustrate that miniDV tapes recorded on Sony
Walkmans don't play back on JVC equipment.

Strewth, I hope the JVC machine doesn't go to Norwich next year!!!!!

Albert...playing back in anguish.

There is always the potential for cock ups with so many different formats
and kit around. I shoot and re master from my editing , on Sony DVCAM. Using
the Sony DSR 20 it runs at a faster speed than some other players. I can
also master onto MINI DV on the same machine but am always conscious of the
danger that some older Mini DV playback kit (especially cameras that some
clubs link to projectors (!)) will not be able to detect, as modern kit
does, that the recording was made at DVCAM speed. We turned up last summer
to show our club programme at a Triangle and the projectionist went potty
when I told him my tape was at DVCAM speed. Luckily he had a professional
Panasonic player which could be switched over.
Anyhow all will be well when DVD is standard - or will it? aren't there different
standards there too?

[Ken Wilson]

"AN" <Animation@btopenworld.com> wrote:

Further to my letter about an entry of mine in CEMRIAC
festival that was not apparently rewound by me, and so
wasn't shown........

Interesting that I have just been informed that the projectionist rewound
my tape THREE times and still couldn't get
anything, yet as I said, when I got it home it was perfect.
His play back machine was a JVC, whilst I recorded the tape at
home on a Sony Walkman.

This seems to illustrate that miniDV tapes recorded on Sony
Walkmans don't play back on JVC equipment.
I have heard a couple of nasty stories about JVC equipment.
I can`t comment personally as mostly I have Sony or Panasonic.

Both tales were related to the combined mini DV/ S-VHS decks
which seemed to be unreliable. Ken.

[AN]

"Michael Slowe" <michael.slowe@btinternet.com> wrote:

Anyhow all will be well when DVD is standard - or will it? aren't there
different
standards there too?

There sure are! R plus and minus. RW this, that and the other.
A larger capacity disc is on the horizon too!

I wouldn't touch DVD with a barge pole until a single standard establishes
itself as the master.

DVD = Definately Variation Dodgy.

Albert....a dodgy customer.

[Ned Cordery]

"Michael Slowe" <michael.slowe@btinternet.com> wrote:

There is always the potential for cock ups with so many different formats
and kit around. I shoot and re master from my editing , on Sony DVCAM.
Using
the Sony DSR 20 it runs at a faster speed than some other players. I can
also master onto MINI DV on the same machine but am always conscious of
the
danger that some older Mini DV playback kit (especially cameras that some
clubs link to projectors (!)) will not be able to detect, as modern kit
does, that the recording was made at DVCAM speed. We turned up last summer
to show our club programme at a Triangle and the projectionist went potty
when I told him my tape was at DVCAM speed. Luckily he had a professional
Panasonic player which could be switched over.
Anyhow all will be well when DVD is standard - or will it? aren't there
different
standards there too?

When you record in the DV mode the recorder runs at the DV speed and when
you record DVCAM it runs at DVCAM speed. You can easily demonstrate this
as in DV record a 60 minute miniDV tape will record 60 minutes, the same
tape recorded DVCAM holds about 40 minutes. I have used the DSR11, 20 and
30 and they all behave the same. Sony equipment will usually play back both
DV and DVCAM.

Ned Cordery

Ned Cordery
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[AN]

"Ned Cordery" <goslands@infowest.com> wrote:

Ned Cordery

Ned Cordery

Holy Moses, have we got to put up with two of you now, Ned?

Albert...Just Neditating.

[Ned Cordery]

"AN" <AnimatioN@btopenworld.com> wrote:

"Ned Cordery" <goslands@infowest.com> wrote:

Ned Cordery

Ned Cordery

Holy Moses, have we got to put up with two of you now, Ned?

Albert...Just Neditating.

Sorry about that Albert. Re DVCAM v DV, the tape speed is actually the same,
the difference is the width of the recording track, 10 microns for DV and
15 microns for DVCAM (If I remember correctly.)plus locked sound with DVCAM.

My old and long loved Miller head at last died with black sludge oozing from
the seals and with a repair quote that would pay for a new low cost set up
I bought a new tripod/head & went with a Libec H35 and after a couple months
am well pleased. So, if you are in the market for new set of sticks and head
have a look at the Libec range. They are not Vintens or Millers but neither
is the price and they are very workmanlike.

On the IAC NLE there is a debate about the use of cheap IEEE1394 cards, I
bought a Pyro from B&H for about USD75 (succesfully self installed by fumble
fingers the PC killer)and it even came with a sort of defanged ULead software
plus the software Albert sent, both of which produce very adequate results.
In fact about 75% of what I do on FCP3 could be done with this card and software
(not the sound - very limited) and neither have crashed so there really is
no excuse for not making videos now. I recently bought the cheapest miniDV
camera I could find (USD400 Panasonic DV51D Firewire in and out) for the
family stuff and stagger back in amazement at the quality. I did an edit
on the PC using the camera as both source and record deck and it worked perfectly.
At last, video production for the people - wonder if they will have anything
to say?

You know who, Albert.

[malcolm whiteley]

WOW! and I thought I had problems, my gear consists of a Sony DSR 250 DVCam
Camera and the Sony dsr11 recorder, have sent my films to several competitions
with no problems, on mini dv.
It wasn't up until last week that I realised my mini dvs were actualy in
dvcam format. (must be losing it) anyway, at one of my local video clubs
I entered a film. Lo and behold it would not play on their JVC. After 12months
I have decided to read the manual for the DSR11. And found I could change
the format to mini dv, so I have recorded all my videos to this format. BUT,
still do not know if they will play on a JVC. Anyone got any ideas.
Mal: (taking a double spoonful of Marmite)

[Michael Slowe]

"malcolm whiteley" <malcolmwhiteley@hotmail.com> wrote:

WOW! and I thought I had problems, my gear consists of a Sony DSR 250 DVCam
Camera and the Sony dsr11 recorder, have sent my films to several competitions
with no problems, on mini dv.
It wasn't up until last week that I realised my mini dvs were actualy in
dvcam format. (must be losing it) anyway, at one of my local video clubs
I entered a film. Lo and behold it would not play on their JVC. After 12months
I have decided to read the manual for the DSR11. And found I could change
the format to mini dv, so I have recorded all my videos to this format.
BUT,
still do not know if they will play on a JVC. Anyone got any ideas.
Mal: (taking a double spoonful of Marmite)

Mal, I thought that I explained all this in an earlier mail. I too shoot
on Pro DVCAM gear and master to a DVCAM deck on DVCAM tape to preserve the
quality. I make Mini DV tapes for distribution (recorded at the faster DVCAM
speed) and 99% of clubs, competitions, festivals etc play them perfectly
well because as I explained modern players can detect the format and adjust
accordingly. It's only older cameras that will have a problem playing back.

[malcolm whiteley]

Hi Micheal.
Thanks for that explanation, it has sunk in now. It just nattered me thinking
I was doing the wrong thing.
Mal: (still gotta a lot to learn)