Hi
I need to try and rescue a ten second MiniDv clip
for my current project. At a crucial moment in a
speech, the subject's voice was drowned out by a car
engine starting up.
Do any of you know of a PC program where
I could visually analyse the sound/s, and
then strip away the unwanted noise?
The basic equalizer that I have here cannot
clean the clip up for me.
Cheers
Paul
Sound salvage
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Brian Hazelden
Re: Sound salvage
Hi Paul,
While there are PC programmes for manipulating sound, and I've used Gold
Wave to good effect, I believe that they work best on "deducting" a continuous
sound that can be sampled "on its own". Unless you are able to tell the computer
what sound you don't want to hear then how can it delete that sound?
It might be just possible to "deduct" using a re-recording of that same car
starting, but distance and ambient sound should also be identical.
Why not re-record the dialogue? Almost every cinema film is made that way.
Brian
While there are PC programmes for manipulating sound, and I've used Gold
Wave to good effect, I believe that they work best on "deducting" a continuous
sound that can be sampled "on its own". Unless you are able to tell the computer
what sound you don't want to hear then how can it delete that sound?
It might be just possible to "deduct" using a re-recording of that same car
starting, but distance and ambient sound should also be identical.
Why not re-record the dialogue? Almost every cinema film is made that way.
Brian
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Cinema For Thurso Group
Re: Sound salvage
Well now you could go to your local Police Station where they have specialised
equipment designed to seperate sounds that are used for evidence in some
cases. Ask them nicely, they may be able to help with or without a small
fee.
equipment designed to seperate sounds that are used for evidence in some
cases. Ask them nicely, they may be able to help with or without a small
fee.
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Ken Wilson
Re: Sound salvage
I use Goldwave for adding music and effects from CD or mini disk but I have
not used it for this kind of manipulation.
I am assuming that you cannot re-record (or dub) the sound?
I have many times substituted dialogue when there is a problem. If you have
several takes, as with fiction, a section of another take can be inserted
into the otherwise good take. I have added and altered or changed a single
word. Looking at the wave form in Premiere, you can easily see what you are
doing and chop and change as required. I am doing this at present with some
interviews when the responses went on too long (a bit like this reply!)
I think though that you mean there are no re-takes or other versions available
for you to tinker with?! Cannot the person involved give you a re-recorded
voice over?
Good luck with it anyhow. Ken.
not used it for this kind of manipulation.
I am assuming that you cannot re-record (or dub) the sound?
I have many times substituted dialogue when there is a problem. If you have
several takes, as with fiction, a section of another take can be inserted
into the otherwise good take. I have added and altered or changed a single
word. Looking at the wave form in Premiere, you can easily see what you are
doing and chop and change as required. I am doing this at present with some
interviews when the responses went on too long (a bit like this reply!)
I think though that you mean there are no re-takes or other versions available
for you to tinker with?! Cannot the person involved give you a re-recorded
voice over?
Good luck with it anyhow. Ken.
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AN
Re: Sound salvage
"Paul Miley" <forums@theiac.org.uk> wrote:
is no program that can work a miracle. Goldwave etc
will never be able to put the acoustics back to how
they were before the car started.
So either dub on new speech (record in same area as before
to get correct ambience), or rewrite script possibly.
If it's a comedy you could always insert sub titles of the
missing lines and make some joke about it on the sound track...
....."These damned Ford cars always are noisy!"
Albert...
If the speech was completely drowned out then thereHi
I need to try and rescue a ten second MiniDv clip
for my current project. At a crucial moment in a
speech, the subject's voice was drowned out by a car
engine starting up.
Do any of you know of a PC program where
I could visually analyse the sound/s, and
then strip away the unwanted noise?
The basic equalizer that I have here cannot
clean the clip up for me.
is no program that can work a miracle. Goldwave etc
will never be able to put the acoustics back to how
they were before the car started.
So either dub on new speech (record in same area as before
to get correct ambience), or rewrite script possibly.
If it's a comedy you could always insert sub titles of the
missing lines and make some joke about it on the sound track...
....."These damned Ford cars always are noisy!"
Albert...
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Paul Miley
Re: Sound salvage
"If the speech was completely drowned out then there
SPEECH WASN'T COMPLETELY DROWNED OUT, SO I'LL TRY OUT
THE GOLDWAVE SOFTWARE. IF THAT FAILS, THEN I'LL
TRY AND RERECORD THAT PART OF THE SPEECH WITH THE
PERSON IN A CLOSER SHOT AT THE SAME PLACE.
YOU LOSE THE SPONTANEITY, BUT I REALLY NEED THAT
PARTICULAR PIECE.
ONCE AGAIN,
THANKS.
PAUL
THANKS FOR ALL THE COMMENTS/ADVICE EVERYONE. NO, THEis no program that can work a miracle. Goldwave etc
will never be able to put the acoustics back to how
they were before the car started.
So either dub on new speech (record in same area as before
to get correct ambience), or rewrite script possibly."
SPEECH WASN'T COMPLETELY DROWNED OUT, SO I'LL TRY OUT
THE GOLDWAVE SOFTWARE. IF THAT FAILS, THEN I'LL
TRY AND RERECORD THAT PART OF THE SPEECH WITH THE
PERSON IN A CLOSER SHOT AT THE SAME PLACE.
YOU LOSE THE SPONTANEITY, BUT I REALLY NEED THAT
PARTICULAR PIECE.
ONCE AGAIN,
THANKS.
PAUL
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Brian Hazelden
Re: Sound salvage
Hi Paul,
I was suggesting that you re-record the audio only, with the actor in a studio,
or bedroom (for the soft furnishing). The actor reads their lines while watching
a playback of the video. Mixing wild-track sound will make it seem "live".
As I said, that's the way they do films and why there's a credit for a re-recording
studio.
Brian
I was suggesting that you re-record the audio only, with the actor in a studio,
or bedroom (for the soft furnishing). The actor reads their lines while watching
a playback of the video. Mixing wild-track sound will make it seem "live".
As I said, that's the way they do films and why there's a credit for a re-recording
studio.
Brian
I'LL
TRY AND RERECORD THAT PART OF THE SPEECH WITH THE
PERSON IN A CLOSER SHOT AT THE SAME PLACE.
YOU LOSE THE SPONTANEITY, BUT I REALLY NEED THAT
PARTICULAR PIECE.
ONCE AGAIN,
THANKS.
PAUL
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Ken Wilson
Re: Sound salvage
"Brian Hazelden" <brian_hazelden@lineone.net> wrote:
would stand out like a sore thumb. An outdoor ambience would be far better.
As I mentioned before, editing on the computer can position speech exactly
where you want it. Gaps in words can be shortened or lengthened to make the
lip sync match (with patience) and some actors speak in such a measured way
that you could find it much easier to do than you realise. I have lifted
whole sentences from an unused take and layed them over the (visually) good
take, because of background noise and they match perfectly. Good luck.
Ken
Hi Paul, I would suggest that Brian`s idea of re-recording the speech indoorsHi Paul,
I was suggesting that you re-record the audio only, with the actor in a
studio,
or bedroom (for the soft furnishing). The actor reads their lines while
watching
a playback of the video. Mixing wild-track sound will make it seem "live".
As I said, that's the way they do films and why there's a credit for a re-recording
studio.
Brian
would stand out like a sore thumb. An outdoor ambience would be far better.
As I mentioned before, editing on the computer can position speech exactly
where you want it. Gaps in words can be shortened or lengthened to make the
lip sync match (with patience) and some actors speak in such a measured way
that you could find it much easier to do than you realise. I have lifted
whole sentences from an unused take and layed them over the (visually) good
take, because of background noise and they match perfectly. Good luck.
Ken
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Atta Chui
Re: Sound salvage
Hi Paul,
Also you can borrow a second camera with a flip screen and headphone so your
actor can see and hear exactly what the take looks like when doing the re-recording
on site...
Atta
Also you can borrow a second camera with a flip screen and headphone so your
actor can see and hear exactly what the take looks like when doing the re-recording
on site...
Atta
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Cinema For Thurso Group
Re: Sound salvage
Personally, we at Cinema For Thurso decided that although we have good dialogue
tracks for our current production, we will still be looking at studio re-recording
but we have one advantage in this case- the studio is out in the middle of
farmland so we can record right outside the door and have the correct ambiance.
Actors will be able to watch the film on a large screen to lip-sync appropriately.
Time consuming to a small amount but not to difficult.
Mind you, you don't need to go to the trouble of a studio if you can take
a camera and a copy of your film to any friend who lives out of town. Just
play the video back and lip-sync whilst the camera is running and you'll
have a new clean recording with time code to boot.
tracks for our current production, we will still be looking at studio re-recording
but we have one advantage in this case- the studio is out in the middle of
farmland so we can record right outside the door and have the correct ambiance.
Actors will be able to watch the film on a large screen to lip-sync appropriately.
Time consuming to a small amount but not to difficult.
Mind you, you don't need to go to the trouble of a studio if you can take
a camera and a copy of your film to any friend who lives out of town. Just
play the video back and lip-sync whilst the camera is running and you'll
have a new clean recording with time code to boot.