Manifesto for Change

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Michael Slowe
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In trying to interpret my words on why I make films, Tim has got it right. In fact, my piece on this very subject features in the current issue of the magazine.

Jameela, I do not think that a film should necessarily be putting out a message or indeed be trying to influence a point of view. It can be, much as an artists painting, merely be something that is pleasant, exciting, frightening or merely pretty. No message, no story. Admittedly, this type of film does need something innovative and can sometimes be too much of a good thing, but such films do have a place amongst the film genres.
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Jameela M Boardman wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:15 pm Ah but...

In an abstract sense, yes filmmaking skills are independent of the purpose or the intention of film, but our purpose or intention becomes inherent in our approach to the technical issues...

If one person considers this an engaging spare time hobby, and another person using similar equipment regards it as a vocation, then the appropriate way of communicating with these two people will be different. For those like myself who are emotionally involved with the artistic expression in their work, the message of the film cannot be detached from the skill of its making. So appropriateness is needed.
I disagree.

You spend two years making a film which contains a very important message (particularly to you).
I spend an evening at the local video club filming a rather poor joke then edit it over the weekend.

Both suffer distorted audio.
Your film fails to get the message across because of poor audio. My film fails to raise a laugh as the joke is all but lost due to poor audio.


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Both films are exceptionally well filmed, presented, acted etc.

Your film has a very detailed script which is jammed full of facts and sources which all help illustrate or expand upon your point, but there is just so much of it that the punchiness of the message becomes lost in a sea of information.

My film introduces the characters with a backstory (one in Engalnd, one in Scotland and one in Ireland) of each of their upbringings and working life before they all walk into a pub and say something in response to the landlords unlikely question.

In your film, the message loses all its impact because of information overload.
In mine the punchline is lost for exactly the same reason.

In both example, the fact that your film is vocational and mine is a throw-away has no bearing on the validity of the criticisms or the effect the weaknesses have on the purpose of the film. The criticisms are equally appropriate - and equally constructive.
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Re: Manifesto for Change

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Nevertheless, Jameela - I think that's just about the only point on which we disagree!

I do agree (as do most people) change is needed. I particularly like the idea of a database for members access and I certainly think it's worth exploring further the idea of only three stars and up being awarded/published at BIAFF with the others being "not selected" - the difference between BIAFF and most other festivals being the entrants will receive a written critique which will go some way to explaining why their films were not selected.
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Re: Manifesto for Change

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I have just watched the 'Rocky Balboa' DVD again, for the umpteenth time now.

The Rocky films have a very strong message...

"It's not how hard you can hit, but how hard you can get hit and still keep moving forward - that is how winning is done."

I have never been to a boxing match in my life, but these stories are a powerful metaphor for many walks of life.

Yes; "No message, no story".
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