Is IAC magazine worth it?

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Peter

Re: Is IAC magazine worth it?

Post by Peter »

"Ian Gardner" <ian@gardner44.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
"Willy Van der Linden" <vanderlindenhig@telenet.be> wrote:


Jesus ! I admire Garth's work and I also admired Liz Donlan's work ! A
pity
that I live in Belgium. I'm willing to act as a typist for him as a voluntary
worker, but of course I can't. Making such a magazine should be the work
of an editorial staff, not of only one person ! The magazine looks very
professonal
and therefore I take off my hat to Garth. But it's also very positive that
many friends like Ken, Michael, Dave, Tom ... write useful articles for
the
magazine.
Willy

Dear Willy,
Please refrain from useing the Lords name in vein.
This is in no dissrespect to you but it does offend some people. Myself
included. You can always use the ***** (stars) if you like!

Thank you.
Ian Gardner
Dear Ian

I'm just interested, but is this because you think the name "Jesus" in a
religious context is a waste of time, or as I suspect, the opposite? Personally,
I don't mind such usage on this MB, as I eff and blind myself all day long,
which includes such use, but then I'm an athiest. I'm not trying to upset
you, I'm just interested. And I can understand that some people may be offended.

Peter
Michael Slowe

Re: Critics of The IAC

Post by Michael Slowe »

Ned, as always, full of sound sense. BUT, films on the internet? Alright
for a five minute cut to music zany piece but what about a more thoughtful
atmospheric film with beautiful pictures and well mixed soundtrack that needs
a big screen, darkened room and modern sound system? Most computer screens
are fairly small, the audio awful (unless you use your decent editing monitors
which I don't do) and the downloaded film never seems to play properly anyway.
I just do not want my stuff exhibited that way, I'd rather send out dozens
of DVD's if I had to.

It's not that IAC members aren't on the internet, most people are now, that's
not the problem. I accept your vision of the magazine though and at a pinch
could live with that, we could always print it out I suppose if we wanted
to read it in the bath or on an aircraft.

No one has taken me up on my suggestion of asking those that can pay a bit
extra to help put things on a sounder financial footing. Maybe a closer link
up with some of the Euro film bodies that seem so active or university and
college film groups. Youngsters will want to join in if they see a way to
get exposure for what they are producing - that is a huge incentive for making
films. National publicity will bring in better films, no question.

Trouble is who is reading this, look at the names on the forum, can we print
the whole thread and put it in the 'welcome bag' for every attendee at BIAFF
2007?

Michael Slowe.



"Ned C" <ned@ampvideo.com> wrote
All organizations like the IAC are facing difficult times. They have little
appeal to young people who see their means of communication as being via
the Internet both in terms of their discussions and showing their productions.
As far as clubs are concerned they won't attract young people who don't
want
to spend an evening with people their parents and grandparents age. Age
becomes
irrelevant on the Internet and that film maker you admire may be 15 or 50,
it doesn't matter. However, all n-c film makers, regardless of age need
a
central organization to represent them both nationally and internationally
and to organize and co-ordinate n-c Festivals. So we need the IAC or something
like it but it must come to terms with the Internet age. I find it difficult
to believe there are large numbers of IAC members without an Internet connection
but even if there are they should not set the agenda for the future, every
effort should be made to accomadate their needs in terms of print but at
an economic cost. The IAC runs a first class Festival in the BIAFF and,
yes,
we need a "magazine" and I opt for Internet distribution. Color pictures?
No problem. Varying the number of pages on the basis of material received?
No problem. Postal rates increase? No problem. Incorporate video clips?
No
problem. Save another forest? Yes! A simple print version for those lacking
an Internet connection, yes, this does make them second class mmembers but
the financial savings can be applied elsewhere.

What do I want to read in a magazine regardless of its medium?

Tom Hardwick and Ken Wilson; always good value. Event reports, yes. Articles
on "How we made......" with lots of insights into problems and how they
were
overcome. Practical experience with equipment not colored by the manufacturers
blurbs. How to.... Publish the judge's comments on the winning BIAFF entries
so that we can all learn from them. Club news, organizational things; fine.

This is the 21st Century and mid 20th Century thinking is no longer relevant.

Ned Cordery
Willy Van der Linden

Re: Is IAC magazine worth it?

Post by Willy Van der Linden »

"Peter" <p-t@pocoanimato.co.uk> wrote:
"Ian Gardner" <ian@gardner44.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

"Willy Van der Linden" <vanderlindenhig@telenet.be> wrote:


Jesus ! I admire Garth's work and I also admired Liz Donlan's work !

Dear Willy,
Please refrain from useing the Lords name in vein.
This is in no dissrespect to you but it does offend some people. Myself
included. You can always use the ***** (stars) if you like!

Thank you.
Ian Gardner


Dear Ian

I'm just interested, but is this because you think the name "Jesus" in a
religious context is a waste of time, or as I suspect, the opposite? Personally,
I don't mind such usage on this MB, as I eff and blind myself all day long,
which includes such use, but then I'm an athiest. I'm not trying to upset
you, I'm just interested. And I can understand that some people may be offended.

Peter
_____________________________________________________________________________________________
Many thanks, Peter. I felt very uncomfortable when I read Ian's remark. Of
course I didn't want to offend someone by using the word "Jesus". My former
headmaster, Mr Ryan, who is a devout catholic, repeated the exclamation "Oh
God !" one hundred times every day. To be honest : before using the word
"Jesus" on this forum I consulted my dictionary "Engels-Nederlands" Van Dale.
It says : "Jesus = God Allemachtig !" which is not offensive at all in Dutch.
I'm not a devout catholic, nor a protestant or anglican. I'm a doubter and
freethinker. I can accept the line of thought of anybody. Once I even wrote
an article for the anglican parish church of Boughton Monchelsea in Kent.
I wrote an article about the enchanting beauty of the Kentish countryside.
I said that I was sure that God has created all these beautiful things in
nature. My wife Vera will miss BIAFF in Tunbridge Wells because my grandson
will celebrate his "holy communion" on 22 April. I hesitated to go to the
IAC Festival but my brother decided to accompany me this time because he
thinks that I must be there as well. Anyway, I find that Ian always lends
colour to this forum and I like that, but his remark has raised doubts in
my mind. English is not my mother tongue and from time to time I may use
words on this forum that are not correct. My apologies.. but let's talk about
filmmaking now.
Ned C

Re: Critics of The IAC

Post by Ned C »

"Michael Slowe" <michael.slowe@btinternet.com> wrote:
films on the internet? Alright
for a five minute cut to music zany piece but what about a more thoughtful
atmospheric film with beautiful pictures and well mixed soundtrack that
needs
a big screen, darkened room and modern sound system? Most computer screens
are fairly small, the audio awful (unless you use your decent editing monitors
which I don't do) and the downloaded film never seems to play properly anyway.
I just do not want my stuff exhibited that way, I'd rather send out dozens
of DVD's if I had to.
I agree that this is the current situation but we are looking at more and
more convergence of the various electronic systems in our homes and within
a couple of years we will be able to download films into our computers and
play out to our large screen TVs. In 5 years we will not be renting DVDs
from a store but over the internet. Sell your Blockbuster shares, they are
doomed!

Trouble is who is reading this, look at the names on the forum, can we
print
the whole thread and put it in the 'welcome bag' for every attendee at BIAFF
2007?

Michael Slowe.
This is the key point. It raises questions about the membership of the IAC
and does suggest that many (most?) members are not on the internet because
it seems that less than 10 people have contributed to this discussion. A
discussion it would be impossible to have by any other way, can you imagine
trying to do this via the Letters column of the magazine? I am a member of
two film/video forums with membership in the hundreds and very active discussions.
This lack of interest also applies to the IACs member's forum where a loyal
few participate. You are right, Michael, print out for everyone at the BIAFF
and have time for an open discussion!

Ned
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Re: Is IAC magazine worth it?

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[quote="Peter
Dear Ian

I'm just interested, but is this because you think the name "Jesus" in a
religious context is a waste of time, or as I suspect, the opposite? Personally,
I don't mind such usage on this MB, as I eff and blind myself all day long,
which includes such use, but then I'm an athiest. I'm not trying to upset
you, I'm just interested. And I can understand that some people may be offended.

Peter[/quote]
All people have a mentle list of words that they think should not be said in decending order in written form or even said out loud in friendly banter. You know the words beginning with J, F, and C. People can use them if they want to and I won`t stop them. I just wanted to point it out. It is always difficult to point things out without getting flamed. I`m tired of flameing with people. Lifes too short. So with our track record Peter were see what happens 8) I may argue but for now on I won`t make personal remarks about any one. I need to keep the friends i`ve got!
Thanks for asking.
Ian Gardner
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Re: Is IAC magazine worth it?

Post by stingman »

Sorry Willy if I offended you. I didn`t mean to do it. I just wanted to point it out. You can of course write what you like! Sometimes if things are not pointed out then the situation could get worse and every remark in a thread could end up with swear words all over the place. Again I`m not being the web police but you hear it from the young chaves all the time while walking down the street. I exspect this place to be a bit more fun and adult.
I would still buy you a drink if I saw you!
Be good.
Ian Gardner
Film Maker
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